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posted by [personal profile] astridv at 09:16pm on 17/06/2009
I'm really sick of the debate on whether Mousavi is any different from Ahmadinejad, and I'm kind of peeved at Obama for bringing it up, because now cable news is all over this meme.

It's not about Mousavi. It's about the people's right to have their vote counted.


I was just having this same argument with my French teacher. I was surprised she'd even bring that up. What does it even matter whether there's a difference significant enough to please the West and bring the change the people are hoping for... this is ultimately about a stolen election. We live in a democracy, we should value this right, to know that our votes count.

And as the protests went on, it's about the brutality against those who dare speak out and stifling of voices.

Yes. How can anyone witness these events and doubt that the old regime has lost the last thread of legitimacy.

Though I checked the bbc site today, and it really seems to me that you get better information from other sources. I'm not sure that people who only follow the established news sources even get to see what's going on?
Edited Date: 2009-06-17 09:17 pm (UTC)
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posted by [personal profile] jwaneeta at 10:44pm on 17/06/2009
What does it even matter whether there's a difference significant enough to please the West and bring the change the people are hoping for... this is ultimately about a stolen election. We live in a democracy, we should value this right, to know that our votes count.

Precisely. As decent human beings we should care about this even if it doesn't have a significant impact on our lives right now. The protestors in Iran are standing for all the stuff we love: freedom, fair elections, democracy. We should be loving the HELL out of these people.

I think here in the US there's old, rigid notion of Iran as the bad guy, and it's just toooooo haaaaard to wrench the head out, look at what's happening, and maybe say, holy, shit, they're not all crazy! They're sort of like us! And they're brave as fuck and worthy of our admiration!

Now, I should be fair and not slag off the US as one monolithic blob, either. I've been following this since the runup to the election at the LJ comm ontd_political, which is stuffed with engaged, intelligent, informed young American kids, and with kids from other countries who bring a much needed world perspective. If it weren't for that comm I wouldn't be as riveted by this as I am (it sure as hell wasn't on CNN until Monday).

It's probably, like a lot of things now, more of a generational divide. The opposition in Iran is young; the nation's population is demographically young. The MSM here took the weekend off and are only now trying to catch up -- alternately taking a condescending attitude toward zomg Twitter and trying to co-opt the information as their own. Bleh.

Check out ontd_political. This is a link to their third live post -- the previous two are maxed out.
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posted by [personal profile] jwaneeta at 10:55pm on 17/06/2009
PS: Watch this. If you don't get a lump in your throat, I will buy you a bowl of noodles at SDCC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyy_vJJnUBc

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